Porsche Targa restoration from NRW

  • Hello,


    I recently asked for engine data and they helped me great. I thought now, maybe my little restoration could interest one or the other of you, therefore times a few info from me, well rather around the patient of course:


    Porsche 911 Targa, US model, a keeper, 3 liter engine with cat and 180 hp. Velvet red.


    16 inch foxes. Engine and transmission currently on pallet
    . Unfortunately, I did not have my camera with me today.


    I don't know of course, does anyone here read this or am I doing a monologue? I am also not really forum experienced. So get out there....


    So it started today. First of all, let's see what comes out from under all the US mud.


    Accordingly, I looked into the guts today via steam jet and endoscope. And I must say, I am thrilled. 41 years old and the condition of the underbody is unbelievably good. The underbody, wheel wells looks like the car is three years old. I've seen plenty of oldies, but really nothing like this.


    The car is unwelded and absolutely original (the paint thickness on the trunk lid could indicate repainting, I'm not sure), otherwise really accident-free. The sills I have also dismantled, also behind it all clean. In two places someone had once fiddled around with a tool and destroyed / damaged the surface, resulting in rust. However, only from above, I looked from below, there it looks good. Easy to correct.


    There are still various dents created in a garage by the uncle dent doctor to remove, nothing wild. That was all the necessary body work.


    I still hang with the decision of a repaint, original paint is already cool. Unfortunately, the existing is not good, rather a 3 minus.


    The engine shows itself after thorough cleaning also from his most beautiful side, stands on a pallet and hung in between on the hook. To clean also from below.


    We will make a pressure test in due time, then see how extensive we approach the engine overhaul. The less than 100 tkm in US areas are absolutely credible and fit the condition.


    There is already a new complete brake system incl. everything, new EU lighting front and rear, bumper horns EU, new suspension complete (incl. bushings).


    Interior will be redone, recaros fly out (were installed directly on delivery day). Carpets new (already ordered), original seats already purchased, these will be reupholstered. The door panels are very bad, let's see what can be done there. I would also like to refurbish the original ones here. Tips?! I have no experience with this. So far I always bought new ones. The E-window lifters worked perfectly, briefly tested.


    A new German radio I still need, does anyone have a tip for what contemporary? What kind of radio was originally installed in Germany in 1981?


    The technical data sheet is otherwise ordered from Porsche, let's see what surprises it holds.


    The fuel filler cap is unfortunately defective, I read about a "cable grommet trick" to get that open. Am there but open to your approach 😊


    Otherwise I just wrote my order list, it includes for now:


    Front windshield gasket


    Front luggage compartment seal (meiterware?)


    Targa bracket rubber gaskets B-pillar


    (Targa A-pillar I already have new).


    Is there a good gasket for the rear window that can be installed without drama? Or could the rubber that was cracked in two places under the Texas sun be repaired?


    In the door area the door sill trim and door sill rubbers I would also like new, looks nicer. (The rubbers would still be refurbishable).


    Does anyone have buying tips? So sources of supply would be super with the quality fits.


    That should be it for now. Unfortunately, I had my camera as I said not with, otherwise I would have pictures for you.


    Tips of course always gladly in any kind :)


    So much reads nowadays probably eh no one more.


    Have a nice evening you, I just enjoy a happy grin after very successful day's work 😊 and am just satisfied.

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  • I have just read but the 1000 questions I can not answer all 😉

    Front windshield gasket can cancel- does not fit

    Chassis screw new- why?

    If nothing broken so leave

    Brake the same

    Sources of supply for parts without guarantee on fit gladly by pn if desired

    Have my 11 just made

    Oh so radio I can recommend the blaupunkt Bremen sqr 46 dab what ingenious there is not

    If you can live with an iPhone 8 or se 2nd generation I can give you a tutorial that you have a h compliant radio and a full navi including charging station😉

    Greetings

    Bernd

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    Nach jeder Menge Enttäuschungen jetzt nur noch Oldtimer :thumbsup:

    BMW 323i Baur E21 BJ 1982

    BMW 635 CSI E24 BJ 1985

    Porsche 911 3.0 SC BJ 1982

    Barkas B 1000 BJ 1978

  • Front windshield seal is indispensable, mine totally flat.

    Thanks for the radio tip.

    Brake and co were available, so I will install the. Would not have to, of course.

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  • The 911 is one of the most robust cars there is!!!

    Many things that are repaired on the cars (or better exchanged) are worsened 😉

    Ask times Lars Ruf CTR he can write whole encyclopedias about it

    Try to get a used one for the windshield

    I have taken the old and new trim front quite nice rear so lala

    On the subject of paint : Original is always better!

    Mine had the export already no longer the original paint and the previous owner had a Porsche paint but not painted to match the year of manufacture

    I did not care I like it

    That my ranzgurke was no longer original has also moved me to bring in my personal touch in the interior

    Recaro seats instead of the original because sportier and above all still so high building

    I came with my 181cm to the roof (e-seat and sunroof 😔)

    So I have in the backrest of the recaro also Porsche front emblems sewn in

    Also a nardi wood steering wheel

    Wems not like...just move on 😉

    Greetings

    Bernd

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    Nach jeder Menge Enttäuschungen jetzt nur noch Oldtimer :thumbsup:

    BMW 323i Baur E21 BJ 1982

    BMW 635 CSI E24 BJ 1985

    Porsche 911 3.0 SC BJ 1982

    Barkas B 1000 BJ 1978

  • Accordingly, I looked into the guts today via steam jet and endoscope. And I must say, I am thrilled. 41 years old and the condition of the underbody is incredibly good. The underbody, wheel wells looks like the car is three years old. I have seen plenty of oldies, but really nothing like this.

    For a Yank from the sunny States, I'm not surprised.....

    . I also disassembled the sills,

    It's called "sill cover"....

    I still hang with the decision of a repaint, original paint is already cool. Unfortunately the existing one is not good, more like a 3 minus.

    Forget the paint gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ans drive -- and times 5000km drive -- then decide everything else....

    Otherwise I know it only so:

    1.varnish is touched

    2. leather is cut

    3. and for the technology there is not enough money -- so it is "somehow" brought to "roll".....

    For me, the mixing bench definitely comes as the very last...

    We'll do a compression test in due time, then see how extensively we approach the engine overhaul. The less than 100 tkm in US gefilden are absolutely credible and fit the condition.

    Mileage so completely uninteresting -- Dilas and valve springs can with extreme probability still the straddle....

    Existing is already a new complete brake system incl. everything, new EU lighting front and rear, bumper horns EU, new suspension complete (incl. bushings).

    Suspension:

    Any rubber for the front axle you better send back or put in the closet.

    First drive -- drive it for a season and then see how you like it.

    For "suspension actions" to make the buck fit for full throttle:

    1. sword bearing bushings Powerflex

    2. 4 front rubber rods.

    That's it!

    My car has 40 year old items in it:

    Support joints

    Front control arms with those 40 year old rubbers

    Shock absorber

    strut mounts

    Flange bearing on the rear suspension arm inside the gearbox.

    Stabi with rubbers AND hangers.

    Tie rods incl. tie rod ends.

    NOTHING of it came new.

    Also no wheel bearings "just like that".

    Only the "flange bearings" in the wishbones I would redo -- if I would start again -- but the car still drives without any criticism from my side -- so what?


    Rear axle:

    Last but not least, disassembling, redoing the rubbers -- flange bearings -- is an extremely difficult thing to do.

    Insert the torsion bar in such a way that the daggerboard is symmetrically inserted in the same way on the right and left -- and the car is at the height you want it to be................ This is something for the very advanced...

    Also wheel load adjustment is obligatory afterwards....

    The technical data sheet is otherwise ordered from Porsche, let's see what surprises it holds.

    ...you buy at TÜV-Süd..... k:secret:

    Front windshield seal

    Rage warranty....

    Targa bracket rubber seals B-pillar


    (Targa A-pillar I already have new)

    Good luck -- also a GROOOOOSSES topic.....

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    Nur wenn du schwarze Striche vom Kurvenausgang bis zum nächsten Bremspunkt ziehen kannst, hast du wirklich genug Leistung(Mark Donohue).

    Im Alter wird man immer knackiger -- da knackt es und da knackt es...

    Sechs 964er bisher mit abgerissenen Dilas --- 14(!!!) Ventilfederbrüche bei den letzten 5 Motoren! 4:3:3:1:3

    Porsche 911 -- der Volkssportwagen...

    "Hoffnung -- ist immer ein Mangel an Information!"

    Wer restauriert -- verliert...

  • Where I could regularly freak out:

    You hear whining from a customer:

    Exemplary now e.g. just that already viiiiel cited windshield with seal.

    "I can't get the windshield in!"

    Me:

    "Haste the old rubber still?"

    Customer:

    "No, I threw it away -- what should I do with it?"

    :kdash:

    For me, ONLY THESE items go directly away:

    Tires, brake pads, used oil and filters.

    EVERYTHING ELSE LEAVES UNTIL THE CAR MOVES UNDER ITS OWN POWER -- not a single part gets thrown away -- no matter how "nonsensical" that might be to some....

    If I were on board with rebuilding a 911 with an owner -- I guarantee that easily more than 50% of the parts the owner wants to reorder -- would be thrown off the list with me.

    It's partly a mystery to me what kind of ordering tsunami is going on.

    Also a big annoyance to be experienced again and again:

    One lets what make -- instruments e.g., speedometer conversion to RDW 2022.

    The restoration drags on and on.

    One does not believe how fast 2 years are rum.

    Then the car finally drives 2024 -- speedometer does not work -- warranty period long expired......

    Many "specialists" are happy because nothing is "finished".....

    If the car has stood forever, then:

    Spritpumpe fest,https://www.ebay.de/itm/401796327292?epid=13026846962&hash=item5d8ced677c:g:gm4AAOSwhLNhO1m6

    Tank scrap,

    https://www.feboe.de/index.php…en/id-930_201_010_02.html

    Injectors closed.

    Brake calipers you can send to JL for refurbishing if you don't do it yourself.

    Sebro brake discs with Textar blocks is perfect.

    Has e.g. also feboe so in the program.

    Tires are enough Kumho HS51 completely!

    N-identification needs no one.

    Lars

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    Nur wenn du schwarze Striche vom Kurvenausgang bis zum nächsten Bremspunkt ziehen kannst, hast du wirklich genug Leistung(Mark Donohue).

    Im Alter wird man immer knackiger -- da knackt es und da knackt es...

    Sechs 964er bisher mit abgerissenen Dilas --- 14(!!!) Ventilfederbrüche bei den letzten 5 Motoren! 4:3:3:1:3

    Porsche 911 -- der Volkssportwagen...

    "Hoffnung -- ist immer ein Mangel an Information!"

    Wer restauriert -- verliert...

  • Ask Lars Ruf CTR he can write whole encyclopedias about it.

    Try to get a used one for the windshield

    About 6-8 years ago:

    A customer comes by on Saturdays.

    Windscreen "fixed" with gaffa tape:

    "Such a sh....e! I went to the auto glazier yesterday -- they spent hours with several men trying to pull the windshield in.................!"

    We -- grabbed a used rubber -- tore down the "new" one -- the first time we pulled it in, the windshield was in -- the guy was looking like we were Martians.....

    If the rubber is cracked at the edge -- then it's more likely you can't reuse it.

    But far too many windshield rubbers are shamefully thrown away despite good used condition because of this obsessive compulsive:

    "I want to make everything new! I'm not reusing used rubber again.....!" :kdash:

    So -- good luck making it "new."

    The list of new parts on my car after reassembly(complete paint job) is so ultra-short -- it's certainly not even 20% of what others would have put in the shopping carts.

    And I'm only interested in saving money to a very limited extent.

    That's not the reason.

    But I can't understand why you remove intact parts and throw them away -- here comes again my example with the wheel bearings.

    Ditto axle shafts -- I don't even have new boots if the ones on them are still intact. And new shafts are completely unthinkable.

    However, there are also parts/parts areas that are rather uncritical -- so where the new parts do not make any problems -- it is not quite as extreme as I present it here -- -- but for me it is still unnecessary work and costs.

    taemmie

    How I would proceed:

    1.rebuild fuel system with the linked parts.

    Tank still with https://www.ebay.de/itm/311324…651618:g:040AAOSwJ~xcJfUD

    2.Rebuild engine with ALL the parts that I have written down.

    3.Brake:

    Have AT calipers done at JL in front,

    rear directly new https://www.ebay.de/itm/313867…f3d2f3:g:-5AAAOSwzVJiAmIe

    4x brake discs

    2 sets of pads

    Handbrake shoes

    2+2 brake hoses

    2+2 metal lines from shock leg to caliper front and rear from hose to caliper -- has Feboe in program.

    Set of Kumhos on it.

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/373775…c67caa:g:YQ0AAOSwGcVhfzak

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/265748…d4c62d:g:PFkAAOSwK~5isw98

    Convert speedometer to BRD

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/265176…bf892f:g:6SEAAOSw7ANixfhC

    that's it -- that's how it would be tested and driven.

    And then I would write me a list what I notice and continue to work off.

    It should have already happened that the owner -- so that the idea of how such a thing drives, coincides with the reality zero.

    Ask me how I know that.................... k:rolleyes:

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    Nur wenn du schwarze Striche vom Kurvenausgang bis zum nächsten Bremspunkt ziehen kannst, hast du wirklich genug Leistung(Mark Donohue).

    Im Alter wird man immer knackiger -- da knackt es und da knackt es...

    Sechs 964er bisher mit abgerissenen Dilas --- 14(!!!) Ventilfederbrüche bei den letzten 5 Motoren! 4:3:3:1:3

    Porsche 911 -- der Volkssportwagen...

    "Hoffnung -- ist immer ein Mangel an Information!"

    Wer restauriert -- verliert...

  • The windshield rubber is totally junk, there is nothing more! New part mandatory, tüv so impossible.

    The listed new parts were included when buying the set.

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  • For stone chip protection I used:

    Mipa

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